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Tuesday, September 30, 2003
The assassination of a terrorist that also kills 14 innocent people turns the entire population into potential terrorists
The damage of total refusal: "The damage of total refusal By Giora Furman [Brigadier General (res.) Furman was deputy
commander of the Israel Air Force] Tuesday, September 30, 2003
I know all the senior signatories of the 'pilots' letter' from training or battle. The courage of Yiftach Spector, Yigal Shochat, Giora Ben Dov and their friends, and the results they achieved in difficult wars, is no less than the courage of Ran Peker or Dan Halutz. Nearly all belong to the elite of our air force.
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... The total refusenik legitimizes the refusenik from the other political pole. The total refusenik cannot claim he is contributing to the Zionist enterprise.
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... The assassination of a terrorist, no matter how senior and important, that also kills 14 innocent people turns the entire population into potential terrorists. Such an assassination also turns us, who are asked to do it, into casualties, and not only physically. Those who declare that they have defeated terror, invite new attacks. Those who don't have reasonable political solutions can chase refuseniks, but will remain responsible for the phenomenon of refusal no less than they are.
The damage of total refusal: "The damage of total refusal By Giora Furman [Brigadier General (res.) Furman was deputy
commander of the Israel Air Force] Tuesday, September 30, 2003
I know all the senior signatories of the 'pilots' letter' from training or battle. The courage of Yiftach Spector, Yigal Shochat, Giora Ben Dov and their friends, and the results they achieved in difficult wars, is no less than the courage of Ran Peker or Dan Halutz. Nearly all belong to the elite of our air force.
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... The total refusenik legitimizes the refusenik from the other political pole. The total refusenik cannot claim he is contributing to the Zionist enterprise.
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... The assassination of a terrorist, no matter how senior and important, that also kills 14 innocent people turns the entire population into potential terrorists. Such an assassination also turns us, who are asked to do it, into casualties, and not only physically. Those who declare that they have defeated terror, invite new attacks. Those who don't have reasonable political solutions can chase refuseniks, but will remain responsible for the phenomenon of refusal no less than they are.
Saturday, September 27, 2003
'the consistent assassination policy borders on a crime against humanity, and the state of Israel has turned its pilots into war criminals.'
Ha'aretz - ArticleBackground / The distinction between pilot and soldier refuseniks By Moshe Gorali, Haaretz Correspondent Saturday, September 27, 2003
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A High Court petition against assassinations is pending. The plaintiffs - attorneys Avigdor Feldman and Michael Sfarad - claim that 'the consistent assassination policy borders on a crime against humanity, and the state of Israel has turned its pilots into war criminals.' If the High Court accepts this claim, the position of the pilots refusing to carry out assassinations would be accepted.
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In the High Court petition, the state is attempting to accommodate international law on the matter to the special circumstances of Israel's war on terror. The law recognizes only two categories of people in this regard - civilians and combatants. Israel does not acknowledge terrorists as combatants, but when assassinated, they are referred to as combatants who can be killed. The army perceives the assassination policy as an extension of the authorization to take out "ticking bombs" - by killing the planner of the attack or the person sending the bombers.
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... The law allows targeting terrorists, but those planning the assassination must take into account the danger to civilians in the target's vicinity. When such a risk exists, the assassination order becomes illegal.
Those persons Israel targets for assassination are indeed first-class threats, but according to the petitioners and pilots, the danger they pose does not justify the risk of killing innocent women and children in their surroundings. According to the petition, assassinations have been transformed from surgical, rare and targeted operations to a far-reaching policy that has cost the lives of 79 innocent civilian passers-by.
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Feldman and Sfarad attached to the petition the opinon of international legal expert Professor Antonio Cassa. The state is now searching for an expert who will give an opposing opinion.
Ha'aretz - ArticleBackground / The distinction between pilot and soldier refuseniks By Moshe Gorali, Haaretz Correspondent Saturday, September 27, 2003
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A High Court petition against assassinations is pending. The plaintiffs - attorneys Avigdor Feldman and Michael Sfarad - claim that 'the consistent assassination policy borders on a crime against humanity, and the state of Israel has turned its pilots into war criminals.' If the High Court accepts this claim, the position of the pilots refusing to carry out assassinations would be accepted.
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In the High Court petition, the state is attempting to accommodate international law on the matter to the special circumstances of Israel's war on terror. The law recognizes only two categories of people in this regard - civilians and combatants. Israel does not acknowledge terrorists as combatants, but when assassinated, they are referred to as combatants who can be killed. The army perceives the assassination policy as an extension of the authorization to take out "ticking bombs" - by killing the planner of the attack or the person sending the bombers.
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... The law allows targeting terrorists, but those planning the assassination must take into account the danger to civilians in the target's vicinity. When such a risk exists, the assassination order becomes illegal.
Those persons Israel targets for assassination are indeed first-class threats, but according to the petitioners and pilots, the danger they pose does not justify the risk of killing innocent women and children in their surroundings. According to the petition, assassinations have been transformed from surgical, rare and targeted operations to a far-reaching policy that has cost the lives of 79 innocent civilian passers-by.
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Feldman and Sfarad attached to the petition the opinon of international legal expert Professor Antonio Cassa. The state is now searching for an expert who will give an opposing opinion.
Wednesday, September 24, 2003
Israeli Pilots Refuse to Serve in West Bank
Excite - News: "Israeli Pilots Refuse to Serve in West Bank, Gaza Sep 24, 1:17 pm ET
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Twenty-five Israeli pilots said Wednesday they would refuse to carry out operations in the Palestinian territories, an Israeli security source said.
The source confirmed a report on Israeli radio that the pilots told the Israeli air force commander in a letter of their refusal to carry out duties, which include track-and-kill operations, in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
Israel has killed 12 Hamas militants in air strikes in the Gaza Strip since a Hamas suicide bombing killed 23 people in Jerusalem on August 19.
Several bystanders have also been killed in the targeted missile attacks, which Israel has used to assassinate top Palestinian leaders from the militant group."
Excite - News: "Israeli Pilots Refuse to Serve in West Bank, Gaza Sep 24, 1:17 pm ET
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Twenty-five Israeli pilots said Wednesday they would refuse to carry out operations in the Palestinian territories, an Israeli security source said.
The source confirmed a report on Israeli radio that the pilots told the Israeli air force commander in a letter of their refusal to carry out duties, which include track-and-kill operations, in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
Israel has killed 12 Hamas militants in air strikes in the Gaza Strip since a Hamas suicide bombing killed 23 people in Jerusalem on August 19.
Several bystanders have also been killed in the targeted missile attacks, which Israel has used to assassinate top Palestinian leaders from the militant group."
Sunday, September 21, 2003
Tel Aviv demo demands Israel withdraw from Palestinian territories
Tel Aviv demo demands Israel withdraw from Palestinian territories: "Tel Aviv demo demands Israel withdraw from Palestinian territories TEL AVIV (AFP) Sep 20, 2003
Thousands of Israelis staged a peace march in Tel Aviv Saturday night, demanding that their country withdraw from the occupied Palestinian territories.
The protestors marched from central Rabin Square, where Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist on November 4, 1995 for his peacemaking efforts, to the defence ministry building.
According to the pacifist group which organized the march, Peace Now, the protestors numbered more than 10,000.
Many carried placards demanding the army withdraw from the territories to "save" Israel, while others were draped in Israeli flags, an AFP correspondent said.
They also chanted slogans against the "liquidations" of wanted Palestinian militants by Israeli forces, as well as against bloody anti-Israeli Palestinian attacks.
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Tel Aviv demo demands Israel withdraw from Palestinian territories: "Tel Aviv demo demands Israel withdraw from Palestinian territories TEL AVIV (AFP) Sep 20, 2003
Thousands of Israelis staged a peace march in Tel Aviv Saturday night, demanding that their country withdraw from the occupied Palestinian territories.
The protestors marched from central Rabin Square, where Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish extremist on November 4, 1995 for his peacemaking efforts, to the defence ministry building.
According to the pacifist group which organized the march, Peace Now, the protestors numbered more than 10,000.
Many carried placards demanding the army withdraw from the territories to "save" Israel, while others were draped in Israeli flags, an AFP correspondent said.
They also chanted slogans against the "liquidations" of wanted Palestinian militants by Israeli forces, as well as against bloody anti-Israeli Palestinian attacks.
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Wednesday, September 17, 2003
Combatant Letter 2002
Combatant Letter 2002:
"We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF�s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.
We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel's defense.
The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose -- and we shall take no part in them. "
Combatant Letter 2002:
The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose -- and we shall take no part in them. "
ISHAI MENUHIN -- Refusenik
Yesh-Gvul: "Saying No to Israel's Occupation - Ishai Menuhin March 9, 2002 Saying No to Israel's Occupation By ISHAI MENUHIN
JERUSALEM - In this past week of madness and carnage, hope for peace between Israel and the Palestinians appears impossible. ... Daily funerals and thoughts of revenge among Israelis tend to blur the fact that we, the Israelis, are the occupiers. And as much as we live in fear of terrorism and war, it is the Palestinians who suffer more deaths hourly and live with greater fear because they are the occupied.
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It took me one war - the Lebanon war - many dead friends, and some periods of service in the occupied territories to find that my assumptions were wrong. In 1983, I refused to serve in acts of occupation, and I spent 35 days in military prison for my refusal. Today, as a major in the reserves of the Israel Defense Forces, I still defend my country but I will not participate in a military occupation that has over the decades Israel less secure and less humane. The escalating violence is evidence of this truth. Being a citizen in a democracy carries with it a commitment to democratic values and a responsibility for your actions. It is morally impossible to be both a devoted democratic citizen and a regular offender against democratic values. Depriving people of the right to equality and freedom, and keeping them under occupation, is by definition an antidemocratic act. The occupation that has now lasted a generation and rules the lives of more than 3.5 million Palestinians is what drives me, hundreds of other objectors in the armed forces, and tens of thousands of Israeli citizens to oppose our government's policies and actions in the West Bank and Gaza.
Yesh-Gvul: "Saying No to Israel's Occupation - Ishai Menuhin March 9, 2002 Saying No to Israel's Occupation By ISHAI MENUHIN
JERUSALEM - In this past week of madness and carnage, hope for peace between Israel and the Palestinians appears impossible. ... Daily funerals and thoughts of revenge among Israelis tend to blur the fact that we, the Israelis, are the occupiers. And as much as we live in fear of terrorism and war, it is the Palestinians who suffer more deaths hourly and live with greater fear because they are the occupied.
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It took me one war - the Lebanon war - many dead friends, and some periods of service in the occupied territories to find that my assumptions were wrong. In 1983, I refused to serve in acts of occupation, and I spent 35 days in military prison for my refusal. Today, as a major in the reserves of the Israel Defense Forces, I still defend my country but I will not participate in a military occupation that has over the decades Israel less secure and less humane. The escalating violence is evidence of this truth. Being a citizen in a democracy carries with it a commitment to democratic values and a responsibility for your actions. It is morally impossible to be both a devoted democratic citizen and a regular offender against democratic values. Depriving people of the right to equality and freedom, and keeping them under occupation, is by definition an antidemocratic act. The occupation that has now lasted a generation and rules the lives of more than 3.5 million Palestinians is what drives me, hundreds of other objectors in the armed forces, and tens of thousands of Israeli citizens to oppose our government's policies and actions in the West Bank and Gaza.
Peace will only be achieved when Israel embraces the Palestinian people, Sojourners Magazine/January-February 2001
A Cry for Atonement, Sojourners Magazine/January-February 2001 Peace will only be achieved when Israel embraces the Palestinian people. By Rabbi Michael Lerner January-February 2001
As a religious Jew deeply committed to the survival of Israel and the Jewish people, this is a moment of great pain and sadness. Every night I watch Palestinians being killed as they throw rocks or aim rifles at young Jewish soldiers.
My own son served in the Israeli army a few years ago in a combat unit on the West Bank. So when I watched on television Palestinians dipping their hands in the blood of two Israeli soldiers whose bodies they had just thrown from a second story window after stabbing them to death, I was sickened and shocked. I cried. It could have been my own son.
I deplore the violence. Yet in my view there can be no end to the violence until Israel withdraws its troops from the West Bank and Gaza, provides significant compensation for the families of Palestinians who were forced to leave their homes in 1948 (with corresponding compensation from Arab lands for Jews who fled Arab oppression in 1948-1954), and tells its 250,000 Jewish West Bank settlers to move back to the pre-1967 borders—or tells them that if they remain they must live according to the laws of a new Palestinian state.
The Palestinian people participated in a massive evil when they refused to allow Jewish refugees from Hitler's Europe to settle in the land of Palestine and create their own national self-determination there [They resisted occupation and reparations for something they had nothing to do with ... because they were innocent they're guilty? what logic?! ed.]. But the subsequent expulsion of Palestinians from their homes, the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and the systematic oppression that both Palestinians and Israeli Arabs have faced from Israelis is another massive evil."
A Cry for Atonement, Sojourners Magazine/January-February 2001 Peace will only be achieved when Israel embraces the Palestinian people. By Rabbi Michael Lerner January-February 2001
As a religious Jew deeply committed to the survival of Israel and the Jewish people, this is a moment of great pain and sadness. Every night I watch Palestinians being killed as they throw rocks or aim rifles at young Jewish soldiers.
My own son served in the Israeli army a few years ago in a combat unit on the West Bank. So when I watched on television Palestinians dipping their hands in the blood of two Israeli soldiers whose bodies they had just thrown from a second story window after stabbing them to death, I was sickened and shocked. I cried. It could have been my own son.
I deplore the violence. Yet in my view there can be no end to the violence until Israel withdraws its troops from the West Bank and Gaza, provides significant compensation for the families of Palestinians who were forced to leave their homes in 1948 (with corresponding compensation from Arab lands for Jews who fled Arab oppression in 1948-1954), and tells its 250,000 Jewish West Bank settlers to move back to the pre-1967 borders—or tells them that if they remain they must live according to the laws of a new Palestinian state.
The Palestinian people participated in a massive evil when they refused to allow Jewish refugees from Hitler's Europe to settle in the land of Palestine and create their own national self-determination there [They resisted occupation and reparations for something they had nothing to do with ... because they were innocent they're guilty? what logic?! ed.]. But the subsequent expulsion of Palestinians from their homes, the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and the systematic oppression that both Palestinians and Israeli Arabs have faced from Israelis is another massive evil."
Wednesday, September 10, 2003
Why is there no discussion of all this [targeted assaults, etc.]?
FORWARD : Forward Forum SEPTEMBER 5, 2003 | Damaged and Desensitized | THE HOUR | By Leonard Fein
One of the more remarkable aspects of the human species is our capacity to become inured. What begins as a shock comes eventually to feel quite routine, if repeated often enough....
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The apparent strategy of the Israeli defense establishment is to generate sufficient panic by its attacks that the Hamas leadership is rendered inoperative. ... The Israeli campaign, it seems, is a success.
A success? The sheriff rides into town, not on a horse but in a helicopter, and he and his posse search out the bad guys and pick them off, one or two at a time. (Forget about the bystanders who were in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up as "collateral damage." Israel's readiness to fire its missiles even on a crowded street is evidence of its determination. In the very successful attack on September 1, in which one or two Hamas people were killed, 26 bystanders were wounded.)
The logic of this Wild Mideast strategy is deeply flawed, its apparent success ephemeral.
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But before we ask that question, there is another, and in a way more troubling, question: Why is there no discussion of all this? Why have we so easily, so readily, become inured to these attacks, including the "collateral damage" they cause? Alas, the answer to that question has less to do with the evil of Hamas than it has to do with our own (here I mean we Jews, both in America and in Israel) desensitization. And that, too, must be counted as a kind of collateral damage.
FORWARD : Forward Forum SEPTEMBER 5, 2003 | Damaged and Desensitized | THE HOUR | By Leonard Fein
One of the more remarkable aspects of the human species is our capacity to become inured. What begins as a shock comes eventually to feel quite routine, if repeated often enough....
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The apparent strategy of the Israeli defense establishment is to generate sufficient panic by its attacks that the Hamas leadership is rendered inoperative. ... The Israeli campaign, it seems, is a success.
A success? The sheriff rides into town, not on a horse but in a helicopter, and he and his posse search out the bad guys and pick them off, one or two at a time. (Forget about the bystanders who were in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up as "collateral damage." Israel's readiness to fire its missiles even on a crowded street is evidence of its determination. In the very successful attack on September 1, in which one or two Hamas people were killed, 26 bystanders were wounded.)
The logic of this Wild Mideast strategy is deeply flawed, its apparent success ephemeral.
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But before we ask that question, there is another, and in a way more troubling, question: Why is there no discussion of all this? Why have we so easily, so readily, become inured to these attacks, including the "collateral damage" they cause? Alas, the answer to that question has less to do with the evil of Hamas than it has to do with our own (here I mean we Jews, both in America and in Israel) desensitization. And that, too, must be counted as a kind of collateral damage.
Monday, September 08, 2003
The Zionist Revolution is Dead - Avraham Burg
The Zionist Revolution is Dead - Avraham Burg | September 05, 2003, 03:59 AM
'It turns out that the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies ..'
The Zionist revolution has always rested on two pillars: a just path and an ethical leadership. Neither of these is operative any longer. The Israeli nation today rests on a scaffolding of corruption, and on foundations of oppression and injustice. As such, the end of the Zionist enterprise is already on our doorstep. There is a real chance that ours will be the last Zionist generation. ... We were supposed to be a light unto the nations. In this we have failed.
The countdown to the end of Israeli society has begun. Even if the Arabs lower their heads and swallow the shame and anger forever, it wont work. A structure built on human callousness will inevitably collapse in on itself.
If all this were inevitable, divinely ordained and immutable, I would be silent. But things could be different, and so crying out is a moral imperative. Do you want the greater Land of Israel? No problem. Abandon democracy. Lets institute an efficient system of racial separation here, with prison camps and detention villages. Qalqilya Ghetto and Gulag Jenin.
Do you want a Jewish majority? No problem. Either put the Arabs on railway cars, buses, camels, and donkeys and expel them en masse or separate ourselves from them absolutely, without tricks and gimmicks. There is no middle path. We must remove all the settlements all of them and draw an internationally recognized border between the Jewish national home and the Palestinian national home.
Editorial of the Israeli "The Forward" on 29 August 2003
The author is a Knesset member and former Speaker of Knesset
The Zionist Revolution is Dead - Avraham Burg | September 05, 2003, 03:59 AM
'It turns out that the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies ..'
The Zionist revolution has always rested on two pillars: a just path and an ethical leadership. Neither of these is operative any longer. The Israeli nation today rests on a scaffolding of corruption, and on foundations of oppression and injustice. As such, the end of the Zionist enterprise is already on our doorstep. There is a real chance that ours will be the last Zionist generation. ... We were supposed to be a light unto the nations. In this we have failed.
The countdown to the end of Israeli society has begun. Even if the Arabs lower their heads and swallow the shame and anger forever, it wont work. A structure built on human callousness will inevitably collapse in on itself.
If all this were inevitable, divinely ordained and immutable, I would be silent. But things could be different, and so crying out is a moral imperative. Do you want the greater Land of Israel? No problem. Abandon democracy. Lets institute an efficient system of racial separation here, with prison camps and detention villages. Qalqilya Ghetto and Gulag Jenin.
Do you want a Jewish majority? No problem. Either put the Arabs on railway cars, buses, camels, and donkeys and expel them en masse or separate ourselves from them absolutely, without tricks and gimmicks. There is no middle path. We must remove all the settlements all of them and draw an internationally recognized border between the Jewish national home and the Palestinian national home.
Editorial of the Israeli "The Forward" on 29 August 2003
The author is a Knesset member and former Speaker of Knesset
A Jew among 25,000 Muslims
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | A Jew among 25,000 Muslims | Wednesday August 27, 2003
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Susan Nathan is the only Jew among 25,000 Muslims in Tamra, one of the country's dozens of Arab communities whose council is run by Islamic fundamentalists. She is one of only two Israeli Jews known to have crossed the ethnic divide: the other is the controversial academic Uri Davis, who lives in nearby Sakhnin.
Nathan, a 54-year-old teacher and former Aids counsellor with the London Lighthouse Project, arrived in Israel four years ago, after the break-up of her marriage. ... "I was breastfed Zionism. My parents were prominent members of the liberal Jewish community in London and were firm friends of Abba Eban,"
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But since her move from Tel Aviv to work as an English teacher in deprived Tamra seven months ago, she has lost her Jewish friends. "At first they thought I was just being provocative," she says. "Then they thought I was suffering some sort of mental breakdown. Now they realise I am serious, they have turned their backs. What I have done is far too threatening."
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | A Jew among 25,000 Muslims | Wednesday August 27, 2003
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Susan Nathan is the only Jew among 25,000 Muslims in Tamra, one of the country's dozens of Arab communities whose council is run by Islamic fundamentalists. She is one of only two Israeli Jews known to have crossed the ethnic divide: the other is the controversial academic Uri Davis, who lives in nearby Sakhnin.
Nathan, a 54-year-old teacher and former Aids counsellor with the London Lighthouse Project, arrived in Israel four years ago, after the break-up of her marriage. ... "I was breastfed Zionism. My parents were prominent members of the liberal Jewish community in London and were firm friends of Abba Eban,"
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But since her move from Tel Aviv to work as an English teacher in deprived Tamra seven months ago, she has lost her Jewish friends. "At first they thought I was just being provocative," she says. "Then they thought I was suffering some sort of mental breakdown. Now they realise I am serious, they have turned their backs. What I have done is far too threatening."
'Sniffing out Arabs' ... We are all racists
ZNet | Mideast | 'Sniffing out Arabs' ZNet Top by Gideon Levy Ha'aretz May 26, 2003
Shock is the proper reaction to the remark of cabinet Minister Gideon Ezra, who explained last week that Arabs should be used as security guards in Israel because only they have 'the sense of smell needed to smell other Arabs, more so than guards who are immigrants from the former Soviet Union.'
If anyone in Europe dared to say something similar about Jews, the world would be outraged, and rightly so. Another possibility is to ignore what Ezra said: What's the relevance of a low-life utterance from a marginal minister whose level of speech only casts a gloomy light on the institution he came from, the Shin Bet security service, and on his current place at the cabinet table?
We are all racists. Like it or not, we live in a reality of national, not to say racist, separation. A fusion of genuine security distress, the appalling terrorist attacks in the cities, the moral scars we bear as a result of decades of occupation and the faulty education we received has created a day-to-day reality here that can only shock anyone who believes in human rights. "
ZNet | Mideast | 'Sniffing out Arabs' ZNet Top by Gideon Levy Ha'aretz May 26, 2003
Shock is the proper reaction to the remark of cabinet Minister Gideon Ezra, who explained last week that Arabs should be used as security guards in Israel because only they have 'the sense of smell needed to smell other Arabs, more so than guards who are immigrants from the former Soviet Union.'
If anyone in Europe dared to say something similar about Jews, the world would be outraged, and rightly so. Another possibility is to ignore what Ezra said: What's the relevance of a low-life utterance from a marginal minister whose level of speech only casts a gloomy light on the institution he came from, the Shin Bet security service, and on his current place at the cabinet table?
We are all racists. Like it or not, we live in a reality of national, not to say racist, separation. A fusion of genuine security distress, the appalling terrorist attacks in the cities, the moral scars we bear as a result of decades of occupation and the faulty education we received has created a day-to-day reality here that can only shock anyone who believes in human rights. "
Sunday, September 07, 2003
Rabbi Weiss, Associate Rabbi at Neturei Karta International and Lecturer on Zionism
Islam-Online Web Site - Your Source To The World Of Islam! Communication Center
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How does Rabbi Weiss and his organization see the way to peace in Palestine?
Answer: According to the Torah view, there cannot be true peace as long as Zionism and the state of Israel exist.
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What is the difference between how you view Palestine and the way Zionists view Palestine? My second question is have you ever considered learning more about Islam?
Answer We view Palestine as a Godliness and a holy land no matter under whose rule it is. It is no difference under which country or rule Palestine is. In fact, the whole time period of the second temple (except for a few years of the rule of the Chashmanites), Palestine was under the rule of different countries other than Jewish rule. It was under Greece and Rome. The only rule that we are forbidden to accept in exile is to be under a Jewish rule.
The Zionists, on the other hand, come to the issue of Palestine as a physical military entity and as an issue of materialistic national entity similar to how other nations reached their power through military victory.
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How do you view Sharon and his government? How do you see Bush's stance on the Palestinian rights?
Answer Sharon and his government and for that matter the whole Zionist entity are rejected from the Jewish nation and Judaism, because of it is heresy and its tremendous cruelty.
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Although, even if the forefathers of Zionism would have been religious and their state is a religious state, it still would have been forbidden according to God and His Torah, because it refutes the true Jewish belief which waits for God's ruling over the world and the end of this exile, which God Himself will do without any human intervention.
At that time God will change the thought process of humankind, all people will serve God together in unison, there will be no more wars and hate
We are forbidden to take any action to make the end of exile come to pass, especially the Zionists' way which is through atrocity and evil decrees and subjugation of another people without right and expulsion of another nation. This is especially abhorrent and against God. "
Islam-Online Web Site - Your Source To The World Of Islam! Communication Center
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How does Rabbi Weiss and his organization see the way to peace in Palestine?
Answer: According to the Torah view, there cannot be true peace as long as Zionism and the state of Israel exist.
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What is the difference between how you view Palestine and the way Zionists view Palestine? My second question is have you ever considered learning more about Islam?
Answer We view Palestine as a Godliness and a holy land no matter under whose rule it is. It is no difference under which country or rule Palestine is. In fact, the whole time period of the second temple (except for a few years of the rule of the Chashmanites), Palestine was under the rule of different countries other than Jewish rule. It was under Greece and Rome. The only rule that we are forbidden to accept in exile is to be under a Jewish rule.
The Zionists, on the other hand, come to the issue of Palestine as a physical military entity and as an issue of materialistic national entity similar to how other nations reached their power through military victory.
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How do you view Sharon and his government? How do you see Bush's stance on the Palestinian rights?
Answer Sharon and his government and for that matter the whole Zionist entity are rejected from the Jewish nation and Judaism, because of it is heresy and its tremendous cruelty.
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Although, even if the forefathers of Zionism would have been religious and their state is a religious state, it still would have been forbidden according to God and His Torah, because it refutes the true Jewish belief which waits for God's ruling over the world and the end of this exile, which God Himself will do without any human intervention.
At that time God will change the thought process of humankind, all people will serve God together in unison, there will be no more wars and hate
We are forbidden to take any action to make the end of exile come to pass, especially the Zionists' way which is through atrocity and evil decrees and subjugation of another people without right and expulsion of another nation. This is especially abhorrent and against God. "
Saturday, September 06, 2003
Jonathan Ben-Artzi is a conscientious objector and nephew to Benjamin Netanyahu
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | 'I realised the stupidity of it', Tuesday March 11, 2003
His uncle is the hawkish former prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. But Jonathan Ben-Artzi is a conscientious objector who has already spent months in prison for refusing conscription - and today faces a full court martial. He tells Chris McGreal why he will not fight
... But he did not really know why until he went to Verdun, where more than 700,000 men were sacrificed to futility in the first world war. "I always knew I wouldn't go into the army but I came to realise why when I was 14. We visited France and some of the battlefields and I saw the rows and rows of graves," he says. "Then I realised the stupidity of it. So many lives sacrificed and they didn't really know what they were fighting for. They were never told the truth."
For his views, Ben-Artzi has now spent more time in prison than any other Israeli conscientious objector. He is also the best known of the refuseniks because he is the nephew of Benjamin Netanyahu, the country's belligerent former prime minister ...
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Ben-Artzi exercised his right to see one of the "conscience committees" reluctantly set up by the government after it signed up to international human rights conventions. When he walked into the room he discovered every member of the committee was a serving military officer. "I was asked questions. I answered. Their decision was that I'm not a pacifist. It's an automatic decision. No one has ever been accepted as a pacifist. Israel is the only country that officially declares there are no pacifists."
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | 'I realised the stupidity of it', Tuesday March 11, 2003
His uncle is the hawkish former prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu. But Jonathan Ben-Artzi is a conscientious objector who has already spent months in prison for refusing conscription - and today faces a full court martial. He tells Chris McGreal why he will not fight
... But he did not really know why until he went to Verdun, where more than 700,000 men were sacrificed to futility in the first world war. "I always knew I wouldn't go into the army but I came to realise why when I was 14. We visited France and some of the battlefields and I saw the rows and rows of graves," he says. "Then I realised the stupidity of it. So many lives sacrificed and they didn't really know what they were fighting for. They were never told the truth."
For his views, Ben-Artzi has now spent more time in prison than any other Israeli conscientious objector. He is also the best known of the refuseniks because he is the nephew of Benjamin Netanyahu, the country's belligerent former prime minister ...
...
Ben-Artzi exercised his right to see one of the "conscience committees" reluctantly set up by the government after it signed up to international human rights conventions. When he walked into the room he discovered every member of the committee was a serving military officer. "I was asked questions. I answered. Their decision was that I'm not a pacifist. It's an automatic decision. No one has ever been accepted as a pacifist. Israel is the only country that officially declares there are no pacifists."
Torah and Targeted Killings -- The Zionist Conspiracy - Joe Schick -- Monday, August 25, 2003
A reader found this site via a Google search for Torah and targeted killings.
I'm not a rabbi, but I believe that Jewish Law's approval of preemptive liquidation of terrorists appears in the Talmud, which states:
'If somebody comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first.' (Sanhedrin 72a).
posted by Joseph at 8/25/2003 comments(0) "
A reader found this site via a Google search for Torah and targeted killings.
I'm not a rabbi, but I believe that Jewish Law's approval of preemptive liquidation of terrorists appears in the Talmud, which states:
'If somebody comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first.' (Sanhedrin 72a).
posted by Joseph at 8/25/2003 comments(0) "
Thursday, September 04, 2003
Israel can halt this now -- Jewish MP chooses to boycott Isreali products
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | Israel can halt this now | Oona King in Gaza | Thursday June 12, 2003
The no man's land separating Israel from the Gaza Strip gives way to what can only be described as desecrated land. Razor wire and crushed buildings line the route. Torn slabs of concrete look like tattered cardboard on a rubbish heap. In front of us two Israeli tanks block our path. Behind us, the border will shortly be sealed to prevent Palestinian reprisals for the helicopter attack launched hours earlier against the extremist Hamas leader, Abdul-Aziz al-Rantissi - who is still alive. A Palestinian woman and her young child, on their way to hospital, are dead, and 35 are injured.
Later that afternoon we hurriedly leave the building we are in when a missile lands nearby. As two British MPs travelling with Christian Aid, myself and Jenny Tonge are alarmed. For Gaza residents this is business as usual.
...
They [the Palestinians] are no different from us: deny them human rights and they will respond with unacceptable terrorist violence.
That's what Jews did when they set up the Stern Gang and blew up the King David Hotel in the 1940s. Ninety-four people died. The leader of that terrorist group, on Britain's "most wanted" list, went on to be the Israeli prime minister. Many Jews revere him, even while they abhor the terrorism that ruins their lives today. ...
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The original founders of the Jewish state could surely not imagine the irony facing Israel today: in escaping the ashes of the Holocaust, they have incarcerated another people in a hell similar in its nature - though not its extent - to the Warsaw ghetto.
Any visitor to the Palestinian ghetto can see the signs: residents are sealed off and live under curfew; the authorities view torture as acceptable and use collective punishment as a means of control; soldiers drive families from their homes, confiscate property and demolish neighbourhoods; unemployment runs in places at 80%, and utilities such as water are withheld; the economy has "client" status, and is subservient to the occupiers in every way.
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I have sadly come to the conclusion that, given the scale of the atrocities and collective punishment waged by the Israelis against the Palestinians, I have no choice but to boycott Israeli products. On reflection, whether Jewish or not, you might decide to do the same.
· Oona King is Labour MP for Bethnal Green and Bow"
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | Israel can halt this now | Oona King in Gaza | Thursday June 12, 2003
The no man's land separating Israel from the Gaza Strip gives way to what can only be described as desecrated land. Razor wire and crushed buildings line the route. Torn slabs of concrete look like tattered cardboard on a rubbish heap. In front of us two Israeli tanks block our path. Behind us, the border will shortly be sealed to prevent Palestinian reprisals for the helicopter attack launched hours earlier against the extremist Hamas leader, Abdul-Aziz al-Rantissi - who is still alive. A Palestinian woman and her young child, on their way to hospital, are dead, and 35 are injured.
Later that afternoon we hurriedly leave the building we are in when a missile lands nearby. As two British MPs travelling with Christian Aid, myself and Jenny Tonge are alarmed. For Gaza residents this is business as usual.
...
They [the Palestinians] are no different from us: deny them human rights and they will respond with unacceptable terrorist violence.
That's what Jews did when they set up the Stern Gang and blew up the King David Hotel in the 1940s. Ninety-four people died. The leader of that terrorist group, on Britain's "most wanted" list, went on to be the Israeli prime minister. Many Jews revere him, even while they abhor the terrorism that ruins their lives today. ...
...
The original founders of the Jewish state could surely not imagine the irony facing Israel today: in escaping the ashes of the Holocaust, they have incarcerated another people in a hell similar in its nature - though not its extent - to the Warsaw ghetto.
Any visitor to the Palestinian ghetto can see the signs: residents are sealed off and live under curfew; the authorities view torture as acceptable and use collective punishment as a means of control; soldiers drive families from their homes, confiscate property and demolish neighbourhoods; unemployment runs in places at 80%, and utilities such as water are withheld; the economy has "client" status, and is subservient to the occupiers in every way.
...
I have sadly come to the conclusion that, given the scale of the atrocities and collective punishment waged by the Israelis against the Palestinians, I have no choice but to boycott Israeli products. On reflection, whether Jewish or not, you might decide to do the same.
· Oona King is Labour MP for Bethnal Green and Bow"
Why Palestinians are the modern Sioux
The Observer | Review | Why Palestinians are the modern Sioux | Why Palestinians are the modern Sioux | Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal's The Palestinian People: A History charts an unequal struggle that has a depressing parallel | Ian Gilmour | Sunday June 8, 2003
The Palestinian People: A History, Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, Harvard University Press $29.95,pp608
The Palestinias have long been the Native Americans of the contemporary world. In the nineteenth century, Americans showed little regard for America's indigenous inhabitants, taking their land and harrying them ever further westward before huddling them into reservations. So ruthless was this conduct that it evoked the admiration of Hitler who declared that the Germans should 'look upon the [East European] natives as Redskins'. For the last half-century by providing arms, subsidy and support, America has enabled Israel to dole out similar treatment to the Palestinians.
Baruch Kimmerling, professor of sociology at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, and Joel S. Migdal, professor of international studies, University of Washington, do not draw this parallel, although, referring to the Gaza Strip, they - perhaps coincidentally - entitle one of their sub-chapter headings 'A Palestinian Reservation'.
But they reject the standard Israeli claim that no self-identified Palestinian people existed until very recently, an idea that was memorably expressed in 1969 by the then Israeli Prime Minister. 'There was no such thing as Palestinians,' maintained Golda Meir, who hailed from Milwaukee. 'It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people, and we came and threw them out and took their country from them. They did not exist.'
The Observer | Review | Why Palestinians are the modern Sioux | Why Palestinians are the modern Sioux | Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal's The Palestinian People: A History charts an unequal struggle that has a depressing parallel | Ian Gilmour | Sunday June 8, 2003
The Palestinian People: A History, Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, Harvard University Press $29.95,pp608
The Palestinias have long been the Native Americans of the contemporary world. In the nineteenth century, Americans showed little regard for America's indigenous inhabitants, taking their land and harrying them ever further westward before huddling them into reservations. So ruthless was this conduct that it evoked the admiration of Hitler who declared that the Germans should 'look upon the [East European] natives as Redskins'. For the last half-century by providing arms, subsidy and support, America has enabled Israel to dole out similar treatment to the Palestinians.
Baruch Kimmerling, professor of sociology at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, and Joel S. Migdal, professor of international studies, University of Washington, do not draw this parallel, although, referring to the Gaza Strip, they - perhaps coincidentally - entitle one of their sub-chapter headings 'A Palestinian Reservation'.
But they reject the standard Israeli claim that no self-identified Palestinian people existed until very recently, an idea that was memorably expressed in 1969 by the then Israeli Prime Minister. 'There was no such thing as Palestinians,' maintained Golda Meir, who hailed from Milwaukee. 'It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people, and we came and threw them out and took their country from them. They did not exist.'
John Chuckman: Was Einstein Right About Israel?
"'My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain -- especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state.' ... Albert Einstein "
"'My awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain -- especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state.' ... Albert Einstein "
Wednesday, September 03, 2003
'Now we have only hostility in our hearts' Ha'aretz - Article By Goel Pinto Thursday, October 31, 2002
Jenin residents tell the story of Operation Defensive Shield
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This week, right-wing politicians called for the cancellation of the screenings. ...
Had they bothered to ask the director for a copy of the 50-minute film, they would not have made fools of themselves. "Jenin, Jenin" is not a shocking film and the testimony heard in it is familiar to anyone who has ever watched foreign television reports about events in Jenin. Nevertheless, it is a sad film that shows Israel, as a democratic and enlightened state, in a miserable light. Even those who explain the horrors of war as stemming from an existential need, cannot silence its victims. "
Jenin residents tell the story of Operation Defensive Shield
...
This week, right-wing politicians called for the cancellation of the screenings. ...
Had they bothered to ask the director for a copy of the 50-minute film, they would not have made fools of themselves. "Jenin, Jenin" is not a shocking film and the testimony heard in it is familiar to anyone who has ever watched foreign television reports about events in Jenin. Nevertheless, it is a sad film that shows Israel, as a democratic and enlightened state, in a miserable light. Even those who explain the horrors of war as stemming from an existential need, cannot silence its victims. "
AlterNet: Israel's State Terrorism: "Israel's State Terrorism
By Lev Grinberg, AlterNet, April 1, 2002
What is the difference between state terrorism and individual terrorist acts?
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Suicide bombs ... compared to state terrorism carried out by the Israeli Government. The former are individual acts of despair of a people that sees no future, vastly ignored by an unfair and distorted international public opinion. The latter are cold and "rational" decisions of a State and a military apparatus of occupation, well equipped, financed and backed by the only superpower in the world.
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As Israelis in the opposition, we are fighting against our government, but the international support that Sharon receives is constantly jeopardizing our struggle...
Dr. Lev Grinberg is a political sociologist, and Director of the Humphrey Institute for Social Research at Ben Gurion University.
Chicago Tribune | Many Jews see clarity in Sharon's harsh response: "Many Jews see clarity in Sharon's harsh response
By Ron Grossman ... Ron Grossman is a Tribune staff writer ... Published April 7, 2002
As a self-proclaimed humanist, I ought to recoil in horror from the thought of tanks rumbling through a city, anybody's city. My head should hang in sorrow at televised images of street fighting in Bethlehem and Ramallah. When an army fights in heavily populated quarters, no matter how just its cause, the guilty and the innocent die side by side.
Yet for me, when it comes to the confrontation between Israel and the Palestinians, such considerations are outweighed by one simple historical fact.
My great-grandmother was murdered in the Treblinka extermination camp [Ed. ... and the Palestinians should pay for that, Ron?]"
Monday, September 01, 2003
Aljazeera.Net - Article: "Jewish peace winner attacks Israel Monday -- 01 September 2003
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The outspoken award winner used the glittering occasion to launch an attack on Israel's policies which have caused misery for millions of Palestinians.
And he called on Europe to exert pressure on Ariel Sharon to stop the persecution of Palestinians.
'All Israel's governing politicians have transformed the lives of the Palestinian people into an intolerable hell with their sanctions and expulsions,' he said at Monday’s award ceremony. "
The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict - Jewish Criticism of Zionism: "Jewish Criticism of Zionism
Albert Einstein - "... my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish State,with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power, no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain'..."
Professor Erich Fromm ... Thus, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel cannot be a realistic claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territory in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse...
Rabbi Hirsch (of Jerusalem) is reported to have declared: 'The 12th principle of our faith, I believe, is that the Messiah will gather the Jewish exiled who are dispersed throughout the nations of the world. Zionism is diametrically opposed to Judaism.
Rabbi Judah L. Magnes, first president of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem ... A Jewish Home in Palestine built up on bayonets and oppression [is] not worth having,
Rivka Mitchell, Israeli actress (and household name) ... "It is no longer my country" ... "For me, this business called the state of Israel is finished...I can't bear to see it anymore, the injustice that is done to the Arabs, to the Beduins. All kinds of scum coming from America and as soon as they get off the plane taking over lands in the territories and claiming it for their own...I can't do anything to change it. I can only go away and let the whole lot go to hell without me." , quoted in Israeli peace movement periodical, "The Other Israel", August 1998
